by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier
There were more vendors than ever this year! They were arranged on streets under pop-ups.
This report covers:
- Big
- Downrange
- Down to the public ranges
- Repeating crossbow pistol
- American Airgunner
- Air-air-air!
- Gee whiz!
- Summary
Big
I knew it was going to be good when I first saw it driving up. I saw rows of colorful tents arranged like a country fair. They turned out to be several streets with vendors on each side, and as the morning advanced they were filled with representatives from their companies. We had been told that the Pyramyd AIR Cup site was bigger this year and I have to report that it certainly was!
In fact, on day two I was shown the other side of the facility and discovered that what I was on was the small side. The real facility is several times larger than what I had seen on the first day. And that other side includes a clubhouse/event center that has an indoor swimming pool! The banquet Saturday evening was held in that facility.
Camping sites were in the woods on this side of the road and equipped with everything a RV or tent camper could desire. You guys who camped there please correct me if I’m wrong, but I saw hundreds of well-equipped hookups.
The Cup started on a Friday with competitors shooting in both the inaugural benchrest competition and the Gunslynger that has run for many years. There were a large number of competitors on the line when I arrived at 8:30.
I’m looking at half of the benchrest competitors. The other half is behind me. This is the pre-match safety briefing.
Downrange
The benchrest targets were 100 yards downrange and the wind was blowing 10+ m.p.h. with frequent gusting. Everyone was having their pellets blown to the left — sometimes by several inches.
The range flags were blowing right to left at 100 yards!
Leapers
I stopped by the Leapers booth and saw a new 4-16 scope with improved light transmission. It has an etched-glass reticle and the adjustment knobs are calibrated in the same increments as the reticle lines. This makes adjusting the scope easier, as no mental conversion is required. They are sending one to me to test for you, and I can’t wait. Did I mention that it is very compact — only a little longer than a Bug Buster.
I also saw a new high-tech bipod that I will soon be reviewing for you. This one is really slick and after my experiment with the Daisy Buck a few weeks back, I’m excited to try it
Down to the public ranges
This venue is huge! I bet the public shooting ranges are a quarter-mile from the competition and Vendors’ Row. Pyramyd AIR had several range carts to ferry people, so I hopped on one and went down to the public ranges. These are where you can try many different airguns that Pyramyrd Air and some of the other vendors provide. The also had a sales office down there and everything they sell was marked down by 20 percent with free shipping! But I also saw some things that hadn’t yet been seen by the public.
Repeating crossbow pistol
The first new thing was a 6-shot repeating crossbow pistol from Europe. It is way cool and so new that it doesn’t have a name yet, but it sells in Europe under the name Steambow. I was surprised by how accurate it is and also by the power — 16+ foot-pounds!
This crossbow pistol is every bit as much fun as it appears in this picture. BB wants to to test one! Heck — he wants to own one!
The real news with the Steambow, however, is not the pistol. There is also a full-sized crossbow that is cocked buy CO2 pressure! I saw it cocked and shot several times, and I even shot it myself a couple times. It is supposed to be highly accurate. I don’t know how long we will have to wait to see this reach the market but I can tell you that Pyramyd AIR is working on it as fast as possible.
The full-sized bow is cocked via CO2 pressure. This is a bow that will compete with top-quality crossbows like the Sub-1 and the Ravin.
There is more than one version of the full-sized bow coming to market, so there will be more to say as the details are refined.
American Airgunner
The American Airgunner television show was at the Cup and host Rossi Morreale was competing in several events. When he wasn’t doing that he was interviewing people all around the event. You’ll get to see parts of the Cup online and in next year’s show.
Air-air-air!
The guns at the Cup run on air and Pyramyd had several of their compressors going all the time, filling large tanks. Even so, they were hard-pressed to keep up with the demands of so many shooters.
These Air Venturi compressors were going most of the day, filling dozens of large carbon fiber tanks.
Gee whiz!
I was at the Pyramyd AIR support tent, talking to Gene Salvino, whom many of you know, when he showed me something wonderful. Gene works in the Tech department fixing airguns, and he tells me his biggest problem is fixing the guns that have pellets stuck in their barrels. He told me tales of 16 and even 32 pellets jammed in the bore of thousand-dollar PCPs!
To get them out he has created an ingenious tool that I want to show you. He took a steel Dewey cleaning rod that was broken and he threaded one end with a 6-32 thread behind a sharp point. He chucks the other end of the rod in an electric drill and goes in usually from the muzzle, drilling into the head of each stuck pellet in turn. The rifle is in a padded vise while he’s doing this.
He says you can hear a change in the drill motor when the rod has penetrated the head of a pellet. He then pulls on the drill chuck and that pellet comes right out! Keep it up until the bore is clean.
Gene Salvino passes this tool along to you readers with his complements. Make the rod as long as possible, but he also has a shorter one for jobs when the pellets are closer to the muzzle — to keep the rod from flopping around inside the bore.
Summary
This was just the first day of the Cup and I already saw enough for several blogs. On Saturday I taught some classes to the public on how to mount a scope and how to sight one in after it is mounted.
There was more to see, more to do, more contests to enter and more vendors to talk to this year. The new venue is much larger and more accommodating to the needs of the event. The event now has plenty of room to grow. They completely shut down all firearms activity for this weekend and we had the full run of the place.
I will report on the Cup again this week, but I’ll give it a couple days.
B.B.,
From your very brief description I’m not going to be surprised for this complete report to make up at least 4 parts. I can just imagine the missing portable good carts and some background music to complete the carnival atmosphere. A newcomer would probably be having his head spinning within a few hours not knowing where to look first.
Siraniko
Siraniko,
Potable good carts? We had a dedicated food truck all three days. No calliope music though.
B.B.
B.B.,
That 6-shot repeating crossbow pistol looks really cool! I hope you do get to buy one for yourself…and then have fun testing it for the rest of us. =>
Have fun at the Cup,
dave
Thedavemyster,
Why don’t Multipump and/or Spring Piston air rifles/pistols use CO2 to cock the gun?
shootski
Shootski, this mention by B.B. of using CO2 to cock the mechanism (on that crossbow) is the first time I’ve ever heard of using it that way; I look forward to hearing more from B.B. on such things. =>
Dave,
It’s the first time I have heard of it, as well. I have seen a spring rifle cocked by an electric motor, but it was a very small high-torque motor that whined like an impact wrench in the pits at Indy.
B.BN.
Dave,
Oh, that is in the plans!
B.B.
Cool! ->
B.B.,
What fun! Artillery Grip/Hold on the big Crossbow, Lol!
Does the vertical grip really work on what looks like a sticker pistol? Is it required for the recoil?
For Gene Salvino: a properly sized O-Ring, Delrin, Teflon or better a Nylon bushing (I guess brass could work too) slipped on the rod just behind the thread will keep the for from flopping in the bore. B.B. you didn’t say if Gene used a muzzle guard but that works wonders too! I have cleaned out many a bore for friends; only once (EMBARRASING ADMISSION ALERT!) so far for myself and only for two pellets. If the barrel is threaded you can also use a hydraulic ram (using hydraulic oil port of the ram) with a proper threaded fitting. That might be the quickest way to do multiple pellets repeatedly.
shootski
Shootski,
Here’s a problem to put your problem solving aptitude to: removing a steel BB lodged in a smooth bore that probably must be pushed back out towards the breech.
Michael
Michael,
Your information to solve this problem needs some fleshing out:
Steel bb stuck
Smooth bore barrel.
With that amount of information I would get a smooth metal rod slightly softer than the barrel metal and just rap-a-tap it out of the barrel.
I this a real valuable Collectable?
If you believe that will somehow irreparably score the barrel bore then you need to answer the following questions for further brainstorming:
What metal is the barrel? Threaded at muzzle or breech end?
How far from the breech and/or muzzle?
Will the bb just fall out if moved back to the breech?
shootski
Shootski,
Read the below report for a detailed rundown of the problem, a nonstandard size, large steel BB stuck in a shot tube of a Pioneer76 BB gun: /blog/2019/05/marksman-premium-grade-steel-bbs-and-speedloader-part-1/
Michael
Michael,
I have an old Daisy model 105 BB gun that is used to discourage squirrels from my bird feeders. This spring I went to shoot it and BBs were not coming out. Upon further investigation I found that a BB had rusted in the barrel. I used a coat hanger cut to a length that when it was inserted into the barrel against the BB, only about 1/2″ protruded out of the barrel. I couldn’t believe how seized that BB was in the barrel. With the barrel removed from the gun, I tapped on the coat hanger until the BB was finally dislodged. It took some pretty heavy tapping to get it to move, and didn’t come out easily. After getting it out I made sure to oil the gun well. It still shoots okay after removing the stuck BB.
Geo791,
That sounds like the way to go. But that particular steel ball is (was? — not my air gun) a “toughy.”
Michael
shootski,
The grips are there to hold the bow that isn’t that ergonomic.
B.B.
Shootski,
I had one of those pellet extractors that I made years ago to pull pellets out of Co2 guns after the owner tried to shoot with an exhausted cartridge.
Made mine by cutting the head off of a wood screw, threading/soldering it into the end of a steel tube and using tape to build up the tube to the right diameter to fit/protect the bore. I also had similar tool with a drill bit to pierce the pellet so that the screw-tool would work easier.
Back then I charged two boxes of pellets per hour for my “gunsmithing” services. LOL!
Gunfun1,
Now you tell me what the rate for this job is!
I did it for FREE!!!!
shootski
B.B.,
How do you get 16 to 32 stuck pellets out of a barrel? How do you get 16 to 32 pellets stuck IN a barrel? That second question is the one that has me puzzled! :^)
Those crossbows look amazing. From the angle in the photo the pistol looks like something out of Blade Runner, but in both photos the best part is the smile you have on your face shooting them. I know you’ll review them at some point, but I already can tell you like ’em from the smile. Is the pistol CO2 cocked as well? I figure it isn’t because you did not stipulate that it was, but I was wondering why it’s European market name is “Steam.” And as for cocking with CO2, what an idea! That adds a new category to “air gun,” perhaps. Anyway, it has me thinking of the old phrase, “Now we’re cooking with gas!”
Finally, this event sounds absolutely “humongous.” Might this be the largest, in geography if not attendees, air gun event in the country? How many attendees were there?
Michael
Michael
That for sure is the question. How did they get so many stuck before they knew something wasn’t right. Wow is all I can say. Well here on the blog anyway.
Gunfun1,
Once again, we think alike. (And once again, that ought to worry you!) ;^)
I purchased a vintage Crosman M1 carbine BB gun that was in beautiful shape except someone had jammed four lead pellets into the breech mechanism. I carefully pulled them out one at a time with the jeweler’s needle nose pliers that my wife uses for bead work. Then it cycled steel BBs perfectly What gets into people? “If at first you don’t succeed, force it until it breaks.”
Michael
Michael
Yep it just amazes me what some people can do. It happens at work in the machine shop. They just keep on going till it’s broke. I tell them if it ain’t working stop and come and get me. By time they are done with it a 5 minute job turns into a 5 hour job. That’s the agrivating part of my job.
GF1,
Look at it this way. If it weren’t for the aggravating parts of your job, would there be enough to do for you to have the job? That’s what I would say to my wife before she retired and would complain about the fires, set by her boss, that she would have to put out at work. Stupidity creates a lot of the demand for labor. It’s one of the engines that drives our economy. At least that’s how I try to look at it with a positive attitude these days.
Michael
Michael
No the agrivating jobs like that is not good. We got lists of stuff to do to the machines plus there are 3 month and 6 month PM’s (preventative maintenance) that are generated that have to be done. Multiply that times 23 machines and other things going on and only 1 maintenance tech per shift. We will never run out of work. The machines are only getting older as time goes. So more maintenance required for that reason too. There will be all kinds of stuff still to do even after I retire. So I can definitely do without the stupid agrivating stuff.
Gunfun1,
We had a saying about how 50% of a unit did nothing other than take the credit, 25% did what they were supposed to and no more, 10% screwed up everything they did and the left over 15% did the fixing of all the damage done by the 10% along with their normal outstanding performance and got no credit ever!
shootski
Shootski,
That description could double for some of the companies I have worked for over the years! I guess organizations will always be organizations and people will always be people,…. for the most part anyways.
🙂 Chris
Shootski
Seems to be the way it goes all the time don’t it.
Michael,
A “stupidity engine” powers the economy! If only Adam Smith were here! 😉
B.B.
B.B.,
Maybe it’s not all bad that there is an endless supply of stupid! ;^)
Michael
Michael
All I can say is stupidity sucks. I just wish them people doing the stuff would get a hand at trying to fix their flubup. Bet they would maybe (and that’s a big maybe) think a little more before they proceed to totally destroy something.
I know, I know, I’m just dreaming. 🙂
Gunfun1,
No good can come from mistreating a $1000 PCP, especially when they could just give it to me instead. :^)
Michael
Michael
Here’s my comment from below to Decksniper when he mentioned why would anyone admit to doing something like that.. I think it sums it up pretty well.
“Why would they ever admit. They just knew for some reason the gun wasn’t accurate and they was missing the target. 😉 “
B.B.,
I just thought of something my otolayrngologist (ear, nose and throat doctor) once told me: “If people stopped sticking Q-Tips into their ear canals, I wouldn’t be able to make a living.”
Michael
Michael,
So you ran out of Q-Tips® and had to see the doctor…. ;^)
shootski
Shootski,
I have used Q-tips for years,.. and still do. What kind of idiot jams one in so deep/hard as to do ear drum damage? If “the works” are gummed up that much,… there is other means available.
It has never made sense to me when I have heard people say not to use them.
I must be missing something. If replying,…. use all caps so that I can be sure to hear you,….. 😉
Chris
Chris,
He said at least half his patients are there to have ear wax vacuumed out of their ears because they compacted it against their eardrums. Q-Tips should not be inserted into the ear canal as they often just jam stuff farther down the pipe.
FWIW, I was simply there to have my hearing checked, as I have hearing loss and tinnitus.
Michael
Not me! :^)
Michael,
Ok,… that makes sense. On the other hand,…. a hot shower with the ear canal on target or even a kitchen sink sprayer with warm/hottish water would seem to accomplish the same.
Vacuumed out? That sounds like it could rupture the ear drum from the suctioning effect alone,… though I am sure they have it figured out to where that would never happen.
I have heard/known of people using some sort of special “candle” made just for that,…. but know little about that method. The people I spoke to,… swore by it though.
Chris
Chris & Michael,
I use an ear syringe to flush out my ears with warm water when needed. That’s what the doctor used to wash out wax build up. I asked my ears, nose, & throat doctor about using a syringe and he said that was fine. I used to get bad outer ear infections when I was younger. Had to go to ER several time with it. Then about twenty years ago an ER doctor told me to use Swim Ear after every shower. I haven’t had an ear infection since. I still use Swim Ear after every shower to this day. Even then, I still have to use the syringe every once in a while to wash out my ears with warm water. My two cents on the subject.
Geo
Michael,
Here is how the crossbow pistol works.
https://www.airgun101.com/index.php/component/allvideoshare/airgun-video/how-to-make-shoot-the-pump-action-repeating-crossbow-pistol?Itemid=450
RidgeRunner,
Thanks!
Michael
RidgeRunner,
Very interesting. Thank you. I am always amazed at the ingenuity of people.
~ken
Ken,
This dude is always up to something.
Michael,
“How do you get 16 to 32 pellets stuck IN a barrel? ”
Well, THAT was the great unasked question. Who would do that, and why?
The pistol is spring-powered and cocked by rotating the extension on the rear.
Without question this is now the largest geographic airgun even in the world. Just wait until the field target shooters start commenting.
B.B.
B.B.,
The event looks like a lot of fun. I would/could never be a competitor, but is it open to observers?
Michael
Michael,
Not only is it open to the public, but Pyramyd AIR and some of the vendors put their guns out for people to try out for free. You could have shot free three days. I did.
B.B.
B.B.,
I know where I’m going this time next year. :^)
Michael
I bought a Crosman 700 that was “jammed up” I cleaned it up and took 15 stuck pellets out of the barrel. I made a similar tool to get it done. I hate to admit but first I added one more to the existing stack myself, since then I always check to see if the barrel is clear before shooting a BB or Pellet gun. That of course is safe practice on ALL powder burners.
Michael,
My father used to use that phrase, “Now we’re cooking with gas!”, do you know the origin of it?
–Long Comment Apology in Advance–
Vana2,
I just found the below from http://insideenergy.org/2014/06/26/ie-questions-now-were-cooking-with-gas/:
“‘Now we’re cooking with gas” originated in the late 1930’s or early 40s as a slogan thought up by the natural gas industry to convince people to use gas, rather than electricity, on their new-fangled stoves. This was the era where there was a widespread transition from wood-fueled stoves, and electric and natural gas stoves were in competition with each other. The gas industry wanted to imprint the idea in people’s minds that cooking with gas was the most effective way to get the hot food on the table.
The modern understanding of the phrase is, “functioning very effectively” or “achieving something substantial,” or, after a time of trial and error, “we’re finally rolling.”
But how did an advertising slogan enter the public lexicon and become a phrase meaning much more than just “cooking with gas?”
A clever industry-sponsored advertising campaign.
According to both to the A Way With Words co-host Martha Barnette, and at least partially confirmed by this website focused on English language and usage, the phrase was likely coined by a man named Deke Houlgate who worked for the American Gas Association in the 1930s. He planted the phrase with writers for Bob Hope, who subsequently used it radio comedy routines. The phrase also pops up in Jack Benny routines in the early 40s, a 1942 movie, a Daffy Duck cartoon in 1943:
Daffy Duck: [in the oven] Say, now you’re cooking with gas.
Who knew that effective product placement predated television and the modern day widespread use in film?'”
Michael
Thanks for that Michael!
The modern understanding of the phrase would fit in with my fathers comments, “functioning very effectively” or “achieving something substantial,”.
…or as more applicable to my style resolving a problem/issue… after a time of trial and error, “we’re finally rolling.”
I usually discover several ways that don’t work before I finally find one that does. I say that I am persistent, my wife (of 45 years) says I’ just stubborn… she is probably right. LOL!
Hank
B.B.
Looks like a lot of fun. One of these days/years I hope to make it.
-Y
B.B.,
I forgot to coment how ingenious that tool that Gene Salvino invented is. If he has a bunch of those gems, he ought to run them by a patent lawyer.
Michael
Michael
It is a cool tool. But you will find that people like Gene that works in a given trade probably has a tool box full of those special tools like that. I know I do at work. If you ain’t got them you make them is the way we do it at work.
GF1,
Yes, Gene does have a box of special tools like that. And Tune in a Tube was originally his idea.
B.B.
B.B.,
That tears it! From now on I’ll refer to TIAT as “Salvino Salve.”
Michael
BB
I’ll bet Otho does too.
It’s funny at work some of the newer kids ask why I have all those extra bolts and things in my box. That’s when the other maintenance guy stepped in on day shift and said don’t ever throw anything away in his box or use it for something. He goes it has a purpose for something. And boy oh boy is he right.
GF1,
Like you, I’ve got a box full of jigs and stuff made from old hardware…
Number 1 is a jig to turn scraps disks (cut with a hole saw) into custom fender-washers.
Number 2 is a drill guide for drilling a new transfer-port into a maximus barrel.
Number 3 is a pressure relief tool for the Maximus.
Number 4 is a “dubbing twister” for twisting wire and fur into fuzzy ropes for tying fishing flies.
Yup. Repurposed junk – don’t throw anything out!
Hank
Hank
Yep them home made tools are special. No doubt in my mind. 🙂
B.B.,
Glad you had a good time and looking forwards to more reports. My weekend was a busy one,… just not there.
You were very lucky with the weather. This was the (first) weekend this Summer that had cool overnight temps., nice day temps. and low humidity. No rain to boot! Hopefully next year I can attend.
Good Day to you and to all,………. Chris
BB,
Forget the competition. I would have enjoyed being there just to meet with the vendors and enjoy the public shooting range. I could have entertained myself for a couple of days like that. It is a true shame it is so far away for me. I am really looking forward to these blogs about the event and the new toys you will be playing with.
RR,
Make it a family VaCa. That’s how most couples are doing it. There were wives everywhere!
B.B.
BB,
That could very well happen. First I have to get a camper and a way to pull it though. For the family to vaca I have to take “home” with me.
RidgeRunner:
While the Cardinal Center has a full lineup of both tent and RV sites from no hookups to full 50/30 amp with sewer and water, the center also has both standard and deluxe cabins for rent. You may want to take a look at their camping website for more details.
https://www.thecardinalcenter.com/camping.
Bill Schooley
Bill,
I thank you for the info and the cabins would definitely be nice, but that is not the same. Even nice hotel rooms are out of the question. It would not be “our” room, “our” bed, etc.
Looks like a fun event. I’m pretty sure that the repeating mechanism for the crossbow was invented by Jorge Sprave. He runs ‘the slingshot channel’ on YouTube and his famous tag line is “let me show you it’s features”, followed by a devilish belly laugh. He also had a video on the pneumatic powered crossbow.
The pellet extractor is cool, kind of like a screw extractor. Hope it has a bushing to protect the barrel crown!
Feinwerk,
Do you think that Jorge had a hand in the development of the pistol? I think he was part of a team that developed the Air Bow type pistol that came to market recently. I would like him to ” show me the features ” of how his brain works. He’s one sharp dude.
Half
Feinwerk,
I follow Jorge’s slingshot channel – he sure comes up with some “interesting” stuff!
BB
Do you reckon anyone has ever admitted to shooting another pellet into a barrel that already has 31 jammed pellets in it?
Deck
Decksniper
Why would they ever admit. They just knew for some reason the gun wasn’t accurate and they was missing the target. 😉
Gunfun1,
There is another reason!
I selfadmitted to shooting a second pellet into my 2300S at a commercial shooting range while wearing hearing protection. I had a one hole group going and thought I had enough CO2 for another full power shot. I either miss counted or my cartridge was underfilled. I weigh my CO2 cartridges ever since.
shootski
Shootski
I would think I would of noticed a poi change or something before it came to the time when the pellet wouldn’t make it down the barrel.
Gunfun1,
You would think so…
the 2300S has the spacer in the valve to reduce volume per shot cycle and no doubt some combination of things got together to cause the first pellet to get stuck (deformed skirt or a blown away skirt) are a few of the things I could think might have happened the next pellet didn’t have enough kinetic energy to dislodge the stuck one down the bore. Something just didn’t feel right to me (I always trust that FEELING when doing hazardous things) so I fired a blank at a paper target and noticed no blast impact. Had I been in a low noise environment I would not been wearing ears and plugs and never would have got past that first pellet in the bore…I hope!
I just was trying to show another way that any of us can stack a couple of pellets in a bore…certainly not 30 plus.
shootski
Shootski
I owned a 2300S.
Never exsperianced what your talking about.
Maybe I’m not following what you mean. Please explain.
Gunfun1,
If a pellet or for that matter a bullet has enough blowby (pressure traveling past the round and out the muzzle) for whatever reason it (the round) may not have enough kinetic energy to make it out of the bore. Since the pellets were deformed by the removal process I have no way of knowing what or if that happened. The one hole target made it impossible to see that no pellet had left the barrel; just like a clean miss of a target would.
Long story short. I could only reasonably suspect that I had insufficient pressure remaining in the CO2 cartridge. The 2300S as you know sips CO2 unless you take out that spacer. The rest of my thinking is hypothetical at best and raw SPECULATION at worst with no ability to prove. Hope that helps.
shootski
Shootski
I know how it works.
Like I said don’t see how you was shooting at poi then instantly going to stuck pellet.
I think maybe instead of weighing Co2 cartridges you should be sorting pellets for head and skirt size.
Of course going by your last reply.
Something sounds a little fishy to me with how that pellet got stuck.
Gunfun1,
You may have something there!
I was shooting R10s and probably got complacent with checking them before breech insertion…I was a really nice group I had going…. As an added excuse for my potential complacent behavior…what with shooting mostly the Big Bores/45APC/.44 Mag I can see no way of NOT knowing that something hasn’t left the barrel with those even if you are the Deaf, Dumb and Blind Kid and can play some mean Pinball.
So my Achilles heel is .177 no recoil CO2 pistol shooting.
shootski
Shootski
I would think if the skirt or head or both was that big you should of felt it when trying to load. I can when I load.
Kind of weird but anyway it happened somehow.
Shootski,
I experienced a double feed a few times with my Urban PCP when I first got it. I had to learn to pull the bolt completely back each time. Once I got used to it I had no more double feeds. The Urban would just shoot both pellets out, but I could tell there was a difference in the sound.
Another thing that has happened to cause a double feed, when I am pesting and cock the bolt but then don’t get a shot, I de-cock the rifle. I have to remember to remove the magazine before de-cocking or the next time I cock the bolt it will feed another pellet into the chamber. If I want to keep the magazine in the rifle I have to shoot that loaded pellet out instead of de-cocking.
Geo
Geo
The 2300S is a single shot pistol. Search it and see.
Wow! Then a double, triple, etc. feed would have to be intentional. Someone needed educating on what NOT to do with an airgun.
Geo
Right.
Geo791,
See my above to Gunfun1…it probably was my fault in the end since it is a single shot…just not 30+ times of embarrassing bore filling ;^)
shootski
Shootski ,
The rod is a Dewey rod that fits the bore so tightly on a 177 that no crown protection is needed . On 25 guns I have put in a o-ring . I usually pull the barrel off the rifle and go the shortest way possible . This occurs almost always on repeating guns such as S410/510 and the Marauder . I have seen it on pneumatic guns like the IZH46 and Benjamin Blue Streaks also . I am amazed also how someone can make a pencil out of the barrel , I can understand 1 or 2 pellets due to failure to cock . I am glad these people aren’t shooting a 308 winchester !!
Gene Salvino
Gene
Amen. The poor souls would be remembered.
Why I can’t comprehend how they do it I don’t know.
Maybe those are the people that really needed to be guided away from guns and something simpler for them.
I’ll stop before I ruffle the wrong feather. But for sure sorry that no one seen it to step in to help them. Life goes on. In some cases very dangerously.
Gene Salvino,
Dewey rods are my favorite; used sparingly on firearms and very rarely on airguns.
We have all seen images of sprung firearm barrels and bolt parts.!
The repeater makes sense.
Drinking booze and shooting comes to mind; I guess the rest of their story would be trying to shoot out a stuck pellet….
shootski
Autoloading crossbow pistols!? Magazine fed breakbarrel pellet rifles?!
Fancy airgun shooters who dont know what they’re doing? C’mon, really?
I still have’nt got all the cool stuff from like 30 years ago, slow down!
Ditto, Gene.
It would be nice to go to this event! Have fun B.B.
Best, Rob
The auto cocking crossbow is not a new idea. Several years 5 to 8 maybe Parker Brand Bows and crossbows came out with a crossbow that used an 88 gram co2 cartridge to cock it. It was sorta slow but it worked every time. Now there’s didn’t auto load or wasn’t a repeater. But it did autocck.
Ray
Everyone,
I’ve been watching the discussion of special tools today and I’m going to do a blog about them. I just got off the phone with Gene Salvino and asked him for several photos and stories of the special tools he uses. I’ll look around here and see if I have any of my own to add to the report. Well, I already know I have at least one that I use with my mainspring compressor. Then I want to hear and see what you guys have.
B.B.
Gunfun1 ,
I believe a break barrel shotgun is probably overwhelming to some of them !! In all seriousness , people have to be more alert when handling / shooting firearms or airguns . I saw a 22 Remington blown up because the owner thought that taking the powder from another 22 and putting it into his would make it shoot faster , Big KA -BOOM. Used to be on display at a Gunshop here in Cleveland, the owners Nephew blew up the gun , this is how He knew about the double charge. Don’t worry Tom is working on a tool blog .
Gene
Scary stuff.
And cool on the special tool blog. But I bet it will be hard to understand some of the special tools for some anyway without a definition. I have a steaking tool and some little bushing seat pullers that is basically a bolt with a nut holding a washer on. The steaking tool I made is to keep a bushing in after replacing a o-ring on a hydraulic control valve and also after shimming a gearbox. Then I got a high speed drill that I drilled out a socket and tapped it for a set screw to hold the drill in the socket and put on a air ratchet. We use it to break up a differential screw that is used to keep the cutting tool holder chucked to the spindle. That drill socket tool turned a 1 hour job into a 5 minute job.
Oh well anyway. It should be interesting to see what people have came up with to make thier work easier.
GF1,
‘Splainin’ will be my job. Gene will brief me and I will expand what he says into hopefully understandable text.
B.B.
BB
I figured it would work out on your end.
I’m talking about when you said for us to step in and tell about our special tools. We will have to explain what we are using the tool for I suppose.
But it will be interesting to hear about some of Gene’s tools since they will be air gun related I’m guessing.
My special tools are to work on machinery and such. Probably won’t be very interesting to some.
Anyway that will be a different blog. I’m all in for it. 🙂
GF1,
Don’t worry. I have seen what he is sending and they are quite simple. But necessary.
B.B.
B.B.,
At the P.A. Cup,… was there any parking or admission fees?
Also,….. I saw no local advertising/news of the event. Is that something that is not desired among the organizers? I would have thought that the 3 local news stations would have shown some interest,… at least one of the 3 anyways. Yes,… of course advertising (print or TV) is paid,… whereas a news spot would be free. I would think that someone would have at least made the news stations aware of the event.
Chris
Chris,
No fees of any kind.
It was advertised in the Columbus paper, but everyone here already knew about it and that’s a lot of people! We had attendees from Germany, England, South Africa and Puerto Rico.
B.B.
Was Matt Dubber there? He’s from SA and does very well in airgun competitions. As I recall, he won $8000.00 in the Rocky Mountain Airgun Challenge competition.
Geo791,
Check the coverage of PA cup in Hard air magazine. I saw Matt in one of the photos.
Gerry
Thanks Gerry. I will do that.
BB
I’ll be waiting for the reply no doubt.
Mr. Gaylord:
Were you one of the lucky ones who were able to get a ticket to the Saturday night banquet?
Rumor has it that even some of the competitors weren’t able to get one of those tickets. This was the first year I was shut out.
Oh well, maybe next year.
William Schooley
William,
I did attend, but it was very crowded. Next year they are planning to reserve more space and everyone who wants to come should be able to attend.
B.B.
B.B.,
Lots of good stuff, there.
I had to look up more about the Steambow. Interesting. Similar, and yet quite different , to the Parker Concorde which also uses CO2 for cocking.
https://www.parkerbows.com/product/concorde/
Best to you,
~ken