Today reader Ian McKee, whose blog handle is 45Bravo, tells us about how he tested slugs in the Air Venturi Avenge-X precharged pneumatic (PCP) air rifle. After reading his results I have decided that I want to be just like him when I grow up!
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Take it away, Ian
Air Venturi Avenge-X Tactical slug test
by Ian McKee
Avenge-X-Tactical.
This report covers:
- Catching up
- Be careful what you wish for
- Where do I start?
- Touching the electric fence
- Tunes and targets
- Making it better
- Stepping out to 100 yards
- The final numbers and caveats
- Now the BIG questions, and some thoughts
- The future of airgun competition
- A luxury I have that BB does not
- I would like your opinions
Some people learn by reading, some learn by watching others, and some people just have to touch the electric fence for themselves. (Apparently that’s me when it comes to airgun tuning!)
More than once BB has stated that he will never be able to explore all of the options the Avenge-X has to offer. I agreed with that and started testing my Avenge-X Tactical rifle. Little did I realize the rabbit hole I had just willingly stepped into. I should have listened to BB.
Following my own advice, I tell everyone who is new to PCP airguns before turning ANY adjustments, shoot at least a tin of pellets through it to get a baseline of its performance and learn its particular idiosyncrasies. Yes you can change pellets during that time to find the one that shoots best with the factory settings. But I suggest at least 500 pellets total.
Catching up
In my last report about the Avenge-X Tactical I had decided to follow the slug path first, followed by pellets, as there are more pellet options than slug offerings. At least when I made that decision there were more pellet options. Many new slug designs and makers have come to market. Most are great. The not-so-great ones don’t stay in business very long. .
I set the rifle to a regulator setting of 2000 psi on the gauge, and set the hammer spring preload to zero (fully counter clockwise). The hammer spring preload screw is captive so you can not accidentally unscrew it too far. I make my hammer spring adjustments from all the way counterclockwise.
Be careful what you wish for
I had said that I didn’t have the inventory of slugs and pellets BB has access to so I sent an email to Pyramyd AIR, and they sent a selection of slugs they thought would do well in the Avenge-X. (Thank you for that.) About that same time I suddenly started getting packages from friends that read the blog (for some reason though they never comment.) Suddenly I have ZAN slugs, H&N, FX, JSB, Patriot, and some of the RIFLE brand slugs.
Where do I start?
BB is starting to cover the tuning of the Avenge-X, my advice is to follow his advice. I will suggest making very small adjustments to the hammer spring adjustment, as I have found the difference between a good tune and a great tune can be less than an eighth of a turn of either adjustment (hammer spring and regulator). But where do I start? There are so many slug weights, sizes and manufacturers out there the list is already overwhelming and it is growing every day.
I decided to start with the lightest slugs and work my way up. I really cannot give advice as to the exact number of turns and regulator pressure to use. Some shooters want more power, others want a higher shot count and the OCD people will want the lowest extreme velocity spread in search of accuracy. Choose wisely.
I just want a good shot count, and the best accuracy I can squeeze from the platform. But I will list what my settings are as we go.
Touching the electric fence
I had watched Steve Scialli’s original tuning video when it first came out. I skimmed through parts that seemed unimportant. Please don’t do that. When he released the Air Venturi Avenge-X specific video I skimmed through it as well.
I thought I had found the perfect tunes for several slugs. They would shoot great indoors — even out to 100 yards. Then, when I went out into the real world, the groups fell apart.
I cleaned the barrel, checked all the screws, everything I could think of to do, but nothing worked. Then I watched the video again in its entirety. This time I took notes. That’s when I heard the part about the slightest breeze blowing the groups apart.
This is what I had spent weeks chasing — a problem I thought I had but one that wasn’t actually real. Please learn from my mistakes. Today’s groups were shot indoors, from a front rest and a rear bag.
Tunes and targets
Today we will look at the 0.217-inch H&N 21-grain slug. The slug has a slightly cupped base, and a hollow point in the front. The ballistic coefficient of the slug is listed as 0.091.
At 25 yards the velocity started out at about 835fps, with velocity spreads in the 20 f.p.s. range. As I started adjusting the regulator higher slowly. The speed came up and the extreme spread dropped, and the groups started to tighten up. Then I started adjusting the hammer spring.
The best 10-shot group I was able to achieve at 25 yards was 10 shots in 0.094-inches, center to center. The Avenge-X can shoot slugs!
Ten slugs at 25 yards made a 0.091-inch group, They just kept going through the same hole!
Moving out to 50 yards, the first group measured 0.291-inches, center-to-center.
At 50 yards the Avenge-X Tactical put ten slugs into 0.291-inches. That’s an outstanding group for 50 yards!
Making it better
I was thrilled with that group. Then I remembered the video saying to make adjustments at each distance. (See — I am learning.) I started making very small adjustments to the hammer spring. The group got better, then worse, so I reversed the adjustment slightly.
After adjusting the tune at 50 yards indoors, and shooting several groups the best I was able to shoot was 0.158-inches center-to-center for 10 shots with the H&N slugs.
After retuning the Avenge-X Tactical put ten into 0.158-inches at 50 yards. It just keeps getting better.
Stepping out to 100 yards
I moved the rubber mulch-filled bucket to the 100-yard mark and started again. Like the other distances I didn’t adjust the scope, I just refined my holdover for the range I needed.
My first 100-yard group was over an inch in size and also off the bull, but I was thrilled with that. A $530 airgun shooting near MOA (Minute Of Angle) at 100 yards is an outstanding feat. Kudos to Air Venturi for bringing this rifle to market!
But again following the advice in the video, I started making tiny adjustments to the hammer adjustment again. After several groups hovered around the magic one-inch mark, the stars aligned and I was able to shoot a 10-shot group that measured 0.597-inches center-to-center at 100 yards.
A sub-MOA group. Time to party!
I continued to shoot more targets at that distance until I emptied the tin of slugs.
The final numbers and caveats
The H&N 0.217-inch 21-grain slugs with a BC of .091 had a high velocity of 893 f.p.s., a low of 884 f.p.s., an average of 888 f.p.s. and an extreme spread of 9 f.p.s.
My regulator pressure is now showing 2200 psi. And the hammer spring is just over 3 and ¼ turns in. Your gun may shoot differently, and while these settings may get you close, will need final tuning for your individual equipment.
Now, following my previous outdoor experience, will the accuracy of the new tune hold up outdoors? Only time will tell, as I didn’t get the chance to shoot this tune in the real world yet. And I need to get more of the H&N 21-grain 0.217-inch slugs.
Now the BIG questions, and some thoughts
I have a $530 airgun that is capable of shooting one inch or less at 100 yards indoors if I do my part. Five years ago, that was thought to be impossible.
Is it still just as good at 25 and 50 yards after tuning for 100? I don’t know, I didn’t shoot at any shorter distances after moving out to 100 yards.
I still have several other slugs from various makers, and I have them in different weights. Do I stay with this one and enjoy it, or explore the others?
Will the other projectiles do better? I don’t know. Will I be able to replicate this tune after adjusting for other projectiles? Probably.
The future of airgun competition
Most airgun competitions require the use of pellets, some of the competitions like Extreme BenchRest and RMAC (Rocky Mountain Airgun Challenge) and others do encourage the use of slugs, but they are at the leading edge of airgun technology.
I do see the slug becoming the standard for airgun competitions beyond 100 yards. Diabolo pellets are not designed for extreme long-range accuracy.
A luxury I have that BB does not
All I want is something with a high shot count, excellent accuracy, and about 30 foot-pounds of energy, so if I decide to hunt small game with it I can. The current tune checks all of those boxes. Should I stay here and enjoy it for a while or should I move to the next heavier H&N slug?
BB can not take that luxury as he will always have some other new projectile to test in his test bed airguns. I can always write about something other than my Avenge-X Tactical until I grow bored with the current tune. I can also take the time to shoot multiple groups and show the best group. Because of time constraints, BB does not have that luxury.
I would like your opinions
What slugs do you think I should test? I can say that of the other slugs I have shot from the Avenge-X in the past few months, with tuning they all seem to shoot well out to 50 yards. Beyond 50 yards things start to fall apart for some reason.
Shoot safe, have FUN!
Ian
I believe the future of PCP’s is beyond 100 yards.
RMAC is coming up. Hopefully somebody will cover it for this blog?
-Yogi
Good shooting!!
“… was able to shoot a 10-shot group that measured 0.597-inches center-to-center at 100 yards.”
Ian,
That’s awesome! I would be most curious to see the answer to what you said here:
“Is it still just as good at 25 and 50 yards after tuning for 100?”
If it does, and considering you are getting 36.73 fpe, I would “declare victory” and stay there for awhile.
You’d have yourself a supreme small game gun. 🙂
Blessings to you,
dave
When I take it outdoors, I will start at 25 the 50 & 100 with no adjustments we will see.
As my Tactical model is an early production model, the hammer spring adjustment is not as easily accessible as later models. (Again, Air Venturi listens to their customers!)
The other versions of the Avenge-X are easily adjustable.
I love the gun and its performance at these settings.
But I am wondering what else it’s capable of.
I know, I need a second Avenge-X !
At that point, I can leave this one where it is and explore the other rifle’s performance for the blog.
Ian.
45Bravo,
Great article and a great plan. The only fly in the ointment I see is that you may well end up with not only 2 Avenge-X but more, each tuned to a particular slug, unless you make a decision to stick to one particular slug in the end.
Siraniko
Actually, I can think of a couple of flies in the ointment.
The biggest of them being suddenly, I have two rifles that I would never live long enough to explore the complete potential of with all projectiles.
While I was at SHOT Show, I did see a shorty version of the Avenge-X Tactical.
I don’t know if that will be offered in a Woodstock but it looked really good.
If I got a second one, I think I would switch it to low power and explore 500 to 700 ft./s range with pellets between 25 and 50 yards as a high shot count super accurate backyard plinker. With the Benjamin single dies, or Crosman Premiers.
Ian.
Sounds like a solid plan to me *thumbs up* 🙂
Ian
Awesome shooting and patience for this test! We know you can shoot but this is amazing.
Deck
Ian you did great. Nothing less.
You also proved that China is a major airgun force even by quality standards. RR is going to be really tempted…
Bill,
Enable, enable… 😉
BB
He’s tryin’, ain’t he?
Bill,
Not really, though that is quite a feat. 😉
” Decksniper
June 14, 2024 at 11:28 am
Honest Bob
It’s easy. Simply talk Ridgerunner into swapping his detuned Diana 34 for your Avenger.
Deck”
While I would certainly be interested in Ridgerunner’s Diana 34, my Avenger is not going anywhere! I just love that gun! Now my Gamo Bone Collector Gen 3i is another story and one RR has expressed some interest in at one point anyway. — Any interest in discussing that Ridgerunner?
Bob
Bob,
LOL! Not really. I have wanted to revisit Gamo over the years to see if they have figured out how to do it yet. From what I understand and what BB has said, they are still trying to figure it out. Snatching up BSA apparently did not help.
They have even gone so far as to bring back the CFX in an attempt to figure out where they are going wrong. I learned an awful lot about triggers with my CFX. Apparently, Gamo did not though.
Bob,
If you are talking about swapping your Gamo with my Diana 34, OK. I have expressed interest in that air rifle, I like its looks and I think I can fix it up into a decent sproinger. I am very curious to see where Gamo is right now.
burke93attdsdotnet
Sent you an email, let me know if you did not get it.
robtorgeson at yahoo .com
Got it.
Great work Ian!
What to do? Depends on the purpose you assign to your Avenge-X…
If you want it as a small game slug gun then stop right where you are.
If you think of the Avenge-X as a project gun (that was my intention) then chose the next projectile start tuning to it.
For me, tuning is to PCPs what fly tying is to fishing – an interest/hobby unto itself. Lots of learn, lots of entertainment.
Have fun!
Hank
Ian,
OK, you asked for it, so you are going to get it. My thoughts are that you should leave well enough alone. You stated that you want a small game airgun that will reach way out there and do it. If you can maintain sub-MOA at 100 yards outdoors, what more do you want? If you really need to experiment as BB does, get another one to play with. The price is certainly low enough to do such.
Where I live, you are doing good to see out to one hundred yards in the woods. I have a .457 Texan LSS for deer hunting, should I decide to do such again. I would be doing good to get a shot at small game in the woods around here at more than fifty yards.
Now, if’n it was me, I would be trying for a whole bunch more power out of that there air rifle. Of course, my goal is to possibly replace my Texan LSS with a long-range deer killer. With that kind of accuracy, head shots would be the norm. Now, if’n I can get MOA accuracy at one hundred yards with that .457 Texan, it ain’t goin’ nowhere. 😉
P.S. An apparent oops.
The final numbers and caveats – third paragraph
Now, following my previous outdoor (indoor) experience, will the accuracy of the new tune hold up outdoors?
RR,
No, that one is correct. His previous experience was outdoors. What he is saying is, when he moves back outdoors, will the wind be a problem again.
BB
BB,
I think I understand now. There is a range somewhere (Colorado I think) that is setup for indoor one hundred + yard shots. It would be nice if it was close by here.
RidgeRunner,
Our Commonwealth had a two story Shoot House, 100, 50, and two 25 until the Prince William County LEOs bought out Elite Shooting Sports of Manassas, Virginia. The Leftist Warshington Post called it a Guntry Club.
Broke my heart!
shootski
I am fortunate to have the space to set up such shooting ranges for myself, outdoors of course. The only time Mrs. RR will allow me to shoot indoors is when a local pest manages to find its way inside.
Great shooting Ian! These Avengers just continue to impress. I am still holding onto my original but as much as I love it, I do not think there is any way that it can match that kind of accuracy.
Unrelated question for the masses: I am on the hunt for a new to me gun. I am looking for the smoothest shooting springer (spring piston or gas piston, either is fine for this venture) with minimal to no recoil in the 10-12fpe power range. Vintage most likely I would guess. I have several in the 4-7fpe range but nothing in that 10-12 range in a springer. What are some suggestions to research besides the HW50s? (Accuracy is important as always) I have been reading a ton and looked at several options but hoping for some real world recommendations.
BoB
Bob,
You just suggested Monday’s blog! Be patient!
BB
Honest Bob,
The Tx200MkIII with a Tony Leach tune as documented by Tom in https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/tx200-mark-iii-part-5-2/ fits the bill. Best of all it’s still available. Now for a direct from factory rifle I think I’ll wait for Tom’s article on Monday.
Siraniko
Honest Bob
It’s easy. Simply talk Ridgerunner into swapping his detuned Diana 34 for your Avenger.
Deck
Love my Avenger too much to let it go. It and my HW30s are two favorite guns to shoot.
Bob
Bob
Me too on my Avenger and HW30S. You may want to think again about the HW50S. One can’t have too many Weihrauchs. BB’s Monday report should be interesting.
Deck
No, you cannot have to many Weihrauchs. I would not mind if an HW50 AND an HW90 AND an HW95 AND an HW97 were to show up here. You may rest assured that none of these gals would be moving out of RRHFWA as long as I am proprietor.
😉
Bob
Diana 54 Air King slightly detuned maybe?
Since vintage is an option I wholeheartedly suggest a Walther LGV in 12 fpe. If you insist on Wheirauchs a 35 could be what you want.
Ian, great shooting and thanks for the detailed look over your shoulder. I can’t imagine any ballistic projectile launcher that would have worse precision at shorter ranges than long, but now that the gun is set up to achieve repeatable sub moa performance it would be easy to test at shorter ranges just to prove it out. Then on to real world performance.
For your next test, I would suggest a very different slug perhaps tuned for a combination of max power (?) with accuracy (always accuracy) and simply repeat what you did with the HN slug. This will show that 1) the gun can be tuned to the new slug and you didn’t just get lucky with the HN slug, and 2) that you can then return to the settings for the HN slug.
P.S. how many good shots did you get on a fill with the final settings for the HN slug tune?
Roamin Greco,
“I can’t imagine any ballistic projectile launcher that would have worse precision at shorter ranges than long,…” Start imagining…
YAW of Repose:
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/fig24.htm
If the well designed projectile hasn’t “gone to sleep” it can print larger (TINY) groups at closer ranges.
I don’t understand how a ballistically stabilized projectile can be less accurate at short ranges than at longer ranges. Do the projectiles fly all over the place and then somehow converge to the same point of impact? Reminds me of a scene from the Fifth Element (movie), but those were fictionally guided projectiles.
Roamin Greco,
Don’t think so large. The trajectory only changes slightly. It shows up on targets as large groups at 10- a little smaller at 25 and so on.
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/fig23.htm
This is what folks call corkscrewing and shows up with some really strange velocity readings on Doppler RADARS.
HARD to get your head around but…all is not as we have been told by the unwashed.
shootski
RG,
As you push the velocity up, the projectile will spiral as shootski points out. I personally have chased the zero at various ranges until I learned that lesson.
If you can still find some of the old Ted videos at the range in slo mo, you can see his pellets spiral through the air.
Understood, but how can a gun group smaller at 100 yards and larger at 25? In my mind if they are spiraling at 25 the groups at 50 and 100 have to be larger.
Roamin Greco,
The ACTUAL trajectory is/remains EXACTLY the same what happens is that the POI shifts around the first POI of the group by some SMALL amount. That small amount of shift in subsequent POI grows the group size in close because the leading edge of the projectile is YAWING (Nutation and Precession) a greater Circular path before the aerodynamics reduce the amount of YAW causing the POI to grow smaller in time which results in the group size getting smaller the farther the projectile gets from the muzzle.
I wish i could Hand Fly you (and others in the Readership) through this All ya All would become a Air Combat Aces…if not a better shooters.
I Hope this gets everyone closer to understanding that projectiles really don’t behave the way most of us have been taught or think!
shootski
PS: STOP thinking spiral and get WOBBLE into your head. The spiraling folks think they see is an OPTICAL ILLUSION. It even fooled RADAR scientists using Doppler RADAR to track BIG projectiles for a time until a Ballistician set them straight on what the data showed.
Roamin Greco,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile_motion
Notice how they Ass-u-me: “…most calculations assume the effects of air resistance are passive and negligible.” Which certainly makes the “scientists” job easier but NO self respecting Ballistician would ever simplify since it just isn’t REAL WORLD.
This is one of the MANY reasons i find scientists in any field highly suspect until they PROVE otherwise.
shootski
RG, I had two tins of the H&N slugs, plus their sample pack.
One tin was shot at the shorter ranges, the other at 100 yards.
My first group at 100 was well over 1 inch, but after adjustments, they leveled out to just over 1 inch.
Over the course of 20 groups, the one shown was the smallest achieved.
Shot count wise, I don’t know, I filled to 3500 psi and refilled at about 2500.
The regulator doesn’t seem as stable the closer you get to 4000 psi.
But hey, it’s a $530 gun!
I can live with that!
Ian
Wowee, Ian! Most impressive performance on the part of shooter & gun. Maybe FM missed it, but did not see Nielsen slugs/bullets listed in your inventory – the resident Maximus Hunter does decent with their .218 slugs; decent by FM standards which are low-level as is he and not exceeding ranges of 25 yards or less. These just feed a little tight in the Max but believe they’ll provide better and more humane knock-down capabilities when/if the reptile invasion resumes. So sorry to suggest yet another variable to your equation! 😉
As for the “China Angle” on the issue of resisting enablement, FM has not been able to overcome that yet, if ever. However, no doubt the Chinese can engineer airguns and a lotta other things very impressively when they want to and when a company contracting them to make something insists on quality specs for the product and spells these out perfectly clearly. Last night watched a recent production about the terracotta warriors and the background story behind their making and the building of the tomb where the first Qin emperor is buried. All FM will say is, awesome and scary too what the Chinese could do with the technology of the time twenty-two centuries ago. Scary also applies to their politics at the time and concerning to their current course. We better never underestimate them.
Closing this with a hearty Happy Father’s Day in advance for all to whom that may concern or consume! Suggestion to anyone who can “engineer” such: have a backyard airgun shooting-contest-and-BBQ with the kids, whether still little or kids-at-heart. 🙂 Uh, weather permitting.
45Bravo,
Thank You!
As you know Pellets are more accurate in airguns than Bullet (SLUGS) will ever be! Ian did you ever hear that stated? I sure did countless times.
LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL…
“He who laughs last laughs best!”
https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/360/he-who-laughs-last-laughs-best#:~:text=Background%3A,weeps best%2C and so on.
shootski
Ian,
On a more technical level you wrote:
“I would like your opinions
What slugs do you think I should test? I can say that of the other slugs I have shot from the Avenge-X in the past few months, with tuning they all seem to shoot well out to 50 yards. Beyond 50 yards things start to fall apart for some reason.”
Even on an inside range there are air currents that will effect airgun projectiles that are NOT as well designed as they should be. One of the key features to look for (and understand) is the location of the projectiles Center of Gravity (CG) and Center of Pressure (CP) in relation to each other; note well that the CP changes with the projectiles velocity AND NOT in a LINEAR fashion in the PCPs airgun’s velocity range.
And then there is the wind, the Wind, THE WIND!
Something poorly understood by most airgun operators even most competitive airgunners haven’t more than rudimentary wind reading skills and almost no knowledge of the actual effect on the projectile.
The heavier the WELL DESIGNED projectile the less the WIND will CHANGE the POI.
shootski
Ps: if you don’t have them get the newest H&N Slugs.
Shootski, my indoor range is a climate controlled storage facility.
After hours.
I turn the air conditioning system off in the target end of the building to reduce the “wind”.
I setup an aluminum plate backstop, and my rubber mulch filled bucket.
Ian.
Ian,
Nice! I remember that!
Even with no air movement the projectile CP and CG will effect the group size.
You still need a Range HOT Flag ;^)
shootski
I actually lock the doors from the inside.
The only entrance door is behind me, the others are all exit only doors.
No handles on the outside…
Ian,
Lucky man!
I lost my indoor 100/50 and two 25/two story shoot house to a County Mountie outfit that needed a larger training facility and made the Commercial Range an offer they couldn’t turn down.
shootski
Ian,
Either you own this or the owner is very understanding!
Brent
My wife is the manager.
She is understanding.
Ian.
Ian,
I am now officially jealous.
Maybe my wife can get a job at a storage facility. 😉
Another question occurred to me. What keeps the hammer spring tension screw (or the regulator adjustment screw) in place over time. Are they subject to movement over time and needing re-tuning?
Roamin Greco,
THINK Set Screws.
shootski
PS: or lock nuts.
Roamin Greco,
Also:
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/shortr.htm#header_shortranges
then look at the 3D images when you click on the little bullet squares. (Remember he uses calibers as his range axis unit.)
If you haven’t bookmarked this: http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/index.htm#Contents
It is one of the best UNCLASSIFIED resources in english.
You can choose to Math out or not too!
shootski
I haven’t had them move when set.
My regular avenger has never moved either.
I have heard SPECULATIONS about the hammer spring if under a lot of tension MAY, start to take a set overtime.
Thereby requiring a “retune”.
But I can not confirm that as I don’t tune for max power.
Ian.
OK, cool.
Well done Ian! I’m impressed with your 100yards results. You have my respect!
Apolo slugs – these you could also test.
When they first announced their line, I reached out to them.
I did get a return email about a month later. Saying when they got into full production they would send some for testing.
I have since sent 2 more emails, in the last email I offered to buy the slugs.
But no response.
So I left it at that.
Ian.
Midway may have them if PAIR does not.
45Bravo,
An excellent article, and impressive shooting. As BB said, I want to be like you when I grow up – although I am running out of time, I’m afraid. LOL!
Normally, I wouldn’t dare to give you advice, but you asked for it, so here it goes. If you are interested in a potential hunting platform I would go for a new one in 25 cal. Additionally, and to reduce variables I would only consider slugs/bullets for their better external ballistic performance at the 100 yard mark. As a side benefit, there are less projectiles to test in that caliber. Ugh, scratch that – I checked the P-AIR website and there are LOTs of 25 cal. slugs.
Now my turn, IF you decide to get another Avenge-X, what would be your choice, a classic stock (wood or plastic), a tactical or a bull-pup? I am pondering these options myself, and I would appreciate your insight on the choices.
Henry
H-TX. I have not handled the wood or synthetic stocks much, so I would want to do that before purchasing one.
I am very big on the FEEL of a rifle when shooting it. If you don’t like the feel of it, you will not enjoy shooting it..
I like the feel of the tactical, but that particular model has its own particular philosophy of use. Primarily shooting from a position where you’re using a bipod or a BOG pod.(Basically, a padded clamp mounted to a tripod to hold the rifle.)
Bull pup, probably not, already own an Avenger bull pup.
And a wood stocked standard Avenger.
I had still another Avenger bull pup, but it’s now living with a friend of mine.
Ian
Thanks! Good points.
Henry
Lets see,
I currently need “Just one more” Airgun and Tactical is right up my alley. When is the next big sale?
I would only get a second Avenger X if it was a caliber change or major stock change.
It seems like the days of finding the right pellet are in the past or at least remain the goal for airguns with no settings or adjustments.
These new totally adjustable PCP’s now need the best pellet, and now slug, for any given shooting experience or distance. I would simply create a logbook documenting everything to reset all the adjustments as needed. Be sure to have an indoor and outdoor section that documents the effects of wind speed and direction, not to mention the location of the moon for its effect on gravity. 🙂
Nice report, great shooting, valuable information from all.
Air Guns been on hold for me lately. Dealing with disabled, at home and in a Care Home and the Veterans Administration for benefits have left no time. Anything left is spent on wildfire preparations for this year. Border Wildfire No.53 was very motivating.
Bob M,
Make certain to take care of yourself as best you can.
Is there any chance an outfit like Wounded Warrior could be a resource for you?
From my Open Water Lifeguard days: The Rescuer must survive the rescue or none likely do.
shootski
shootski
Shootski,
What it’s like to have Major Cognitive Disorder, Dementia or Alzheimer’s? … Found my friend brushing his teeth with underarm deodorant. And he was paying over $6,000. a month for a memory care home.
Shootski,
I dismissed the thought that my airgun engraved with “From My Cold Dead Hands” may have been thought to belong to Moses. Just watching The Charlton Heston Story on Newsmax and I could see it was more likely to be thought of as a chariot rifle for Ben-Hur. More appropriate.
Bob M,
Lol!
shootski
Ian
That is some good shooting. As you and other readers know I love the long range air gun shooting.
And hope you all had a good father’s day today and many more. 🙂
Gunfun1,
Good to see you back posting!
Happy Father’s Day Gramps
from Shootski Gramps.
shootski
Shootski
Thanks. 🙂