by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier
Hatsan Vectis lever action PCP repeater.
This report covers:
- Flash Vectis
- Filling
- Fill probe port plug
- What is the air stripper made of?
- Velocity
- Second string
- Discharge sound
- Third string
- JSB Exact King Heavy
- Predator Polymag
- How smooth is the lever?
- The trigger
- Summary
Well, the discussion in Part 1 ended on the topic of UFOs. Let’s see where we go today with our exploration of the velocity of the .25-caliber Hatsan Vectis lever action PCP. I will begin by addressing two comments that were pertinent. The first was from reader Willyaimright, who said he had to return his first Vectis to Pyramyd AIR because he couldn’t get it to accept a fill.
Flash Vectis
Knowing that some precharged guns have to be cocked before the initial fill (i.e. when there is no air inside the reservoir), I read the manual before proceeding. It’s an unmanly act, I know, but sometimes you just gotta cheat.
The Vectis comes with a manual that doesn’t identify the Vectis on its cover. It’s the manual for the Flash, Flash QE and the Flashpup. But the Vectis is a Flash and shares the same basic action as the other guns. They will probably get it into the manual, or maybe they already have. I received my test rifle directly from Hatsan and it’s an early one. The box it came in identifies it as a Flash Vectis on the end flap, but when I asked Hatsan USA, they told me to just call it the Vectis. So the manual covers the rifle, even though it doesn’t appear to.
Filling
The instructions say to fill the rifle when it is UNCOCKED. However — read the next sentence which tells you that if the reservoir is completely empty the rifle does need to be cocked. I suspected that, because many PCPs have striker springs that are so powerful they hold the valve slightly open when the striker is down (rifle is uncocked). If there is enough air pressure inside the reservoir the valve will remain closed against the striker spring pressure, but if the reservoir is empty the striker will push the valve stem forward enough to open the exhaust valve and you will never be able to fill the airgun until you cock it.
Is that what happened to Willyaimright? I don’t know, but reader Bob M was quick to make the same comment to him. This is a very common thing. It’s not a problem unless you don’t know about it and proceed to try to fill an empty gun, which we have all done.
The second thing you need to know about filling a Vectis is Hatsan sends a proprietary fill probe with 1/8 BSPP threads on the other end. I was fortunate to have an Air Venturi 1/8″ BSPP adaptor that threaded on and changed the other end of the Hatsan probe to the common male Foster fitting.
To make the Hatsan fill probe (left) accept a Foster quick-disconnect fitting, use an adaptor like this one.
Fill probe port plug
To keep dirt and dust from entering the fill port, there is a plastic plug in the port hole. When the fill probe is pushed into the hole, the plug is pushed out the other side. Remember to reinstall it after each fill to both keep track of the plug and keep the fill port clean.
When the fill probe is inserted it pushes this plug out the other side. Put it back after each fill.
What is the air stripper made of?
Reader Drucocu asked what the air stripper was made of. I said in Part one that the outside of the Vectis is entirely synthetic for weight reduction. The air stripper is on the outside, so it is synthetic, too.
Velocity
I’ll start the test with Benjamin domes. And I shot this all through the 10-shot rotary magazine, so we know that works. The average for the first 10 pellets was 764 f.p.s. The high was 777 and the low was 753 f.p.s. So the spread from low to high was 24 f.p.s.
At the average velocity this 27.8-grain pellet generated 36.04 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. Hatsan advertises the rifle at 40 foot-pounds in .25 caliber and we will probably see that with a heavier pellet.
The velocity drop was almost linear in this first string. Let me show you.
Shot……….Vel.
1…………..770
2…………..777
3…………..770
4…………..768
5…………..767
6…………..763
7…………..759
8…………..754
9…………..760
10………….753
The reservoir pressure at the start was 200 bar/2900 psi. At the end it read 155 bar/2248 psi. Because of this I decided to shoot a second string of Benjamin domes, to see where that took me. This will help us establish the shot count.
Second string
The second string of Benjamin domes averaged 742 f.p.s. The high was 757 and the low was 720 f.p.s. That’s a spread of 37 f.p.s. At the average velocity of the second string, the same pellet produced 33.99 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. Once again the velocity drop was linear. I think the rifle is still on the power curve where it needs to be, so there are at least 20 good shots on a fill, when this pellet is used.
String two began with 155 bar/2248 psi in the reservoir. At the end of the string the reservoir gauge read 125 bar/1813 psi, which is still in the green portion of the gauge. A third string will be tried.
Discharge sound
The Vectis is a loud 3 on the sound scale. Maybe it’s a 3.6. With all that power it has to make some noise, plus it is a .25 caliber, so the hole through the barrel is large. A .177 would be much quieter.
Third string
On the third string the Benjamin dome averaged 698 f.p.s. The low was 678 and the high was 726 f.p.s. At the average velocity the pellet generated 30.08 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. That means that across the three magazines of 30 total shots the average power loss between strings was 6 foot-pounds. At the same time the average velocity loss was 66 f.p.s.
I think if I were hunting I would stop shooting after two magazines and refill the gun. But if I were just out plinking I would use the additional magazine.
JSB Exact King Heavy
Next I loaded 10 JSB Exact King Heavy pellets. These should tell us how powerful the Vectis .25 really is because heavier pellets usually produce the mosty energy in pneumatics. The Vectis magazine requires the first pellet to be loaded skirt-first and this one didn’t quite want to go until I rolled it on a table a little. That took a few thousandths off the edge of the skirt and then the pellet loaded fine. As long as these pellets are, they fit in the magazine fine.
I refilled the rifle to 200 bar/ 2900 psi. The average for 10 shots with these 33.95-grain pellets was 697 f.p.s. Remember that at the “magic” velocity of 671 f.p.s. the weight of the pellet in grains is equal to the energy it develops in foot pounds. So we are very close. The velocity variation across the string went from a low of 691 to a high of 711 f.p.s. — a spread of 20 f.p.s.
At the average speed this pellet developed 36.63 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. The lighter 27.8-grain Benjamin dome developed 36.04 foot-pounds on its first string. That tells me the Vectis in .25 is maxed out. A .22 caliber might be more effective, if a little less powerful. Let’s look at another pellet.
Predator Polymag
The Predator Polymag in .25 caliber is a wonderful hunting pellet, so you know it’s going to be chosen for the Vectis. It’s only 26 grains, so it’s also going to be fast. How fast? An average of 799 f.p.s. for 10 shots. The spread went from a low of 781 to a high of 808 f.p.s. That’s a range of 27 f.p.s.
At the average velocity the Polymag generated 36.87 foot-pounds of energy. That is remarkable — a light pellet generating more energy than a heavy one in a PCP. It shows the Vectis valve likes lighter pellets best.
How smooth is the lever?
Many readers were interested in how smooth the lever is, and I have to say it is very smooth. It’s lighter to work than a Korean PCP lever and the short vertical throw also makes it easier to operate. Plus, as the testing progressed, I swear the lever was smoothing out. After several hundred more shots it will probably become very slick. I did feel every shot through the lever that wanted to pulse open just a bit.
The trigger
The Vectis has a 2-stage Quattro adjustable trigger. As it came from the box stage 1 was 1 lb. 11oz. and the trigger broke at 3 lbs. 10 oz. The first stage pull weight, second stage pull weight and the length of the first stage are all adjustable. All the screws seemed very tight at the start, but once they began to turn they became easier.
I adjusted the first stage to 1 lb. 6 oz. and stage two to 2 lbs. 11 oz, so about a one pound reduction.
Summary
I am pleased with the performance of the .25-caliber Hatsan Vectis in this velocity test. You get a decent number of shots on a fill and the power is about where it should be.
It will be fun to shoot the rifle for accuracy. Given Hatsan’s reputation for making accurate airguns, I have a lot of hope for this one.
BB
Thanks for the info on the lever action. It actually must have some leverage.
The pump action one was a little disappointing. It works ok but it’s not shall we say ergonomic or user friendly like a shotgun. Too much irregular resistance throughout the stroking. I believe I prefer this model but I would stick with a .22. Not too happy with the velocity for a PCP.
Sorry for getting carried away with the UFOs. To make up for it I’ll add a little info on the Webley Mk VI pistol.
The bb version has a tighter fitting inner barrel, but a much looser cylinder as far as lock up goes, about 1/16″ worth left and right play and will sit at either end of that 1/16″ off center. The reason, the cartridge that holds bb’s is slightly longer than the pellet one and actually prevents the forcing cone from seating in the cylinder and centering it up. A bb loaded in the front of those cartridges may not have much of a problem entering the barrel despite being offset because it’s round and not traveling through the cartridge length. Good thing the pellet version is centered better.
Also the pellet pistol version seems to have a noticeably heavier hammer and trigger pull. Definitely not as smooth as my bb version. Can’t say how much though without a scale and I have not run them through a chrony to check for a velocity comparison. Doesn’t look like the bb version is available any more but the info may help anyone who want’s to shoot bb’s in the rifled pellet version. Looks like there is just a little extra plastic on the tip of the bb cartridge to sand it down some to allow centering the cylinder and hopefully still retain a bb.
Just ordered a silver Gletcher NGT pellet version and will compare it to the bb version as well. Looks like that one has three different safety’s?
B.B.,
Looking good so far. Since you only showed one string, I would be tempted to do a 3000 or 3100 fill and see if you could get some good shots (before) the peak like you saw on shot 2. That could tighten the spread over 2 magazines. Nice on the lever and trigger pull weights.
Is the lever light enough that you can remain in position and just use the fingers to open and close, or must it be unshouldered?
Good Day to you and to all,…………. Chris
Chris,
Yes, you can lever the gun on your shoulder.
B.B.
Chris,
I may do what you suggest, but stopping at 3100 psi is very difficult unless you fill from a hand pump. What I do is stop at 3000 and wait about 15 seconds. The onboard needle then settles back just a little. Is it stopping at 2900 psi? Who knows? The gauge is too small to tell, plus a small gauge isn’t that accurate to begin with. These things are not that precise.
B.B.
B.B.,
Yes, I know about small gauges. Just repeat what you did to fill it, just a bit higher. Waiting is good. I fill slow anyways, well as least as slow as I can do. As you know, inhouse vs outside temperature changes pressure too, even if it has been sitting filled for days. I think it would work, however you choose to do it.
It is unlike guns that have a leveling off-ish period before dropping.
Chris
BB
Is the Quiet Energy moderator inside the plastic air striper? Set back some I assume. On the Flash it claims the QE moderator is back yard friendly and capable of 900FPS. Something does not sound right.
Bob M
Bob,
There are some baffles ahead of the muzzle, and they do appear to be in the back of what you are calling the air stripper.
You have to remember that a .25 has a very large bore and is therefore harder to make quiet than a smaller bore. I would not call the rifle I’m testing here backyard friendly, unless the yard is very large. The Vectis .25 is MUCH quieter than an unmodified .25! I have heard those and they sound like a .22 rimfire.
B.B.
BB
I was getting my info from P/A on both the Vectis and Flash You mentioned that they worked on the same platform yet the Flash was described as backyard friendly, in .25 and in that caliber was 100FPS faster than the Vectis
They are both described as having the QE moderator or suppressor however they did say the Vectis has a polymer barrel shroud so perhaps the barrel is not enclosed in a metal one like the Flash and louder? Perhaps QE is a sound reduction addition and not all are designed to operate the same.
Just a mismatched bunch of info between the two.
I can appreciate the trigger housing moving with the lever but is there any problem hitting the trigger with your finger on return if you leave it in there?
I just used the words air striper because it was mentioned in your reply to Drucocu. Looks more like an imitation flash hider and if the cutouts are missing on the bottom a compensator as well.
Bob,
I haven’t tested a Flash, so I have to take the word of Pyramyd AIR as it stands. They certainly shoot a lot more airguns than I do, so what they say should be right on.
The Vectis barrel shroud is polymer as you mentioned. Does that have anything to do with the sound reduction? I couldn’t say. I’m shooting it in a 10 by 15-foot room, and compared to other airguns I’ve shot, it is louder. Not horrible, just noticeable.
As for the air stripper, I wasn’t criticizing you. I don’t know what else to call it, either.
B.B.
BB,
I would most definitely have to use different sights, but I am still curious about this air rifle despite myself. It too believe that .22 would be a better choice.
A smaller magazine would be nicer also. That would permit a lower scope mounting. I know, some folks out there in La La Land want a 97 shot magazine, but just how many shots do you need when you are hunting? Most, if not all states have bag limits on small game. Now if you are hunting vermin you may want to do a lot more shooting, but reloading is not that much more of an effort. It also gives you a respite to relax.
Hey, what do I know?
RR,
Coming from an engineering environment I would want a 42 shot magazine LOL!
I’m with you on caliber selection – .22 is my all around go-to for plinking, pesting and hunting; I reserve the.25 for raccoon sized animals.
Hank
Hank,
Do you need a firearms certificate for this kind of gun “up North”?
I thought I had read that airguns were limited to 500 fps up there (unless you had a certificate),
and that’s why .22 caliber was more popular than .177 (i.e. the most power in a non-cert airgun).
I guess if you have a certificate, you can have any airgun you like.
Would that even be true for PCP pistols?
I think in the USA we tend to take too much for granted.
Thank God (literally) we enjoy the freedoms we still do.
I work with a few people that, if they had their way, would even outlaw all knives
(airguns? forget about it), leaving us to eat our meals with sporks, hahaha! =)~
Anyway, I was just curious. =>
take care,
dave
Dave,
In Canada you need a firearms license known as a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) for powderburners and airguns over 500 fps (no restriction on energy or caliber).
If a pistol is over 500 fps then it is a restricted weapon requiring a special license to possess, transport and use it. Would love to have a .22 pistol for plinking but the red tape is horrendous and I would have to use it in a formal shooting range – no blasting tins at the sand-pits for us. In their infinite wisdom, a 600 fps Crosman 1377 is subject to the same regulations as Dirty Harry’s .44 magnum… DUH!!
Yes, I am envious of your freedoms – silencers (even baffles in shrouded barrels) bullpups, blowguns and even nunchucks and throwing-stars are illegal. Like somebody is going to hold up a bank with a blowgun. Go figure.
The British 12 fpe limit for unrestricted airguns makes a lot more sense because it is a better measure of the weapon’s true power.
Thanks Dave – now I’m all riled up! Stupid beauracrates! LOL!
Have a good one eh!
Hank
Sorry, Hank, didn’t mean to get you riled up, man! =)~
But my Crosman 1322 (470 fps) or my vintage Crosman 38T (350 fps)
would be OK in Canada with no special permits, yes?
I would highly recommend either one as a nice .22 plinker.
At a bit longer range, the 1322 is good…
…but for plinking tin cans, the Crosman 38T is great…love it! =>
(this 1st variant, the all-metal one is the best)
No problem Dave =)
Had a 1322 years ago; my friend had a SSP pistol and that seemed to be a lot more convenient for plinking so I went looking for one. That is when I lucked into a great deal on a FWB 100 and didn’t need the 1322 so I sold it.
No restrictions on the 1322 or the 38T.
I keep on looking at the Crosman 2240 and might pick one up to play around with.
Hank
Yes, Hank; the 1322 takes some pumping effort, and can get tiresome on a long session.
The 2240 is ripe for mods, and I’m sure you could make an awesome custom stock for it. =>
What I like about the 38T is that I get 48 good shots before the CO2 runs low.
That allows me to shoot 8 cylinders full of pellets double action…it’s a hoot!
And that gun has the smoothest and lightest double action of any CO2 gun I’ve fired.
Makes for some serious fun! =D
Cheers,
dave
Dave,
For me the main attraction to the 13** and the 22** pistols is the mods that can be done to them.
My first exposure to Co2 pistols was one of the Crosman revolvers and it was not a good experience. It was not maintained properly (20/20 hindsight!) and was given to me because it leaked and lacked power. I fixed the leak but was disappointed with the range and accuracy – at that time, being used to springers, I didn’t appreciate that cool fall temperatures and rapid shooting played hell with the C02 pressures. Sold it to a guy who thought it was cool and was glad to be rid of it.
I want to try Co2 again and will likely get a 2240 but want to get a .22 SIG ASP20 first. Maybe I can find someone who will trade a 2240 with an 18 inch barrel for a fancy carved slingshot.
Cheers,
Hank
“Maybe I can find someone who will trade a 2240 with an 18 inch barrel for a fancy carved slingshot.”
Hahaha, shouldn’t be too hard to find a guy like that! =)~
Hank,
42 shot magazine?! Whatever for? For pesting and hunting a much smaller magazine that does not get in the way is better. Plinking maybe, but then you have to see around it. Talk about high sight mounts.
I don’t know RR…
Just thought 42 was the answer to every question in the universe.
H
Hank,
Never trust a mouse! 😉
B.B.
Hank,
You got me there. 42 it is then. Let’s contact Gunfun1 and see what he can do. He is hot about Hatsan.
Great article on the Vectis. I should get the replacement rifle next week. Pyramyd AIR is performing the 10 for 10 service for me on the replacement rifle. Can’t wait to get it! (I love lever action rifles). I read the manual that came with the Vectis (like you said it’s for the Flash), and cocked the rifle before trying to fill it, but air kept escaping from the barrel end and also the breech end. I tried leaving the cocking lever forward and that did not work. I tried pulling the trigger then tried to fill, but that didn’t work either. After calling Pyramyd AIR, I cocked the rifle again and still could not get it to fill. My air tank was getting depleted so I tried the hand pump. Nothing worked so PA had me send it back. By the way, Pyramyd AIR is great to work with.
Willyaimright,
Thanks for clarifying that. I was hoping you would.
B.B.
BB,
When you have a linear drop of pressure shot to shot doesn’t that normally mean that the hammer spring is too heavy for the valve to self regulate?
I hope the gun shoots well. To me it is an ugly gun, but accuracy always improves the looks.
David Enoch
David,
It can mean that, like in the Korean rifles. Or it can mean that the valve doesn’t hold enough air for the caliber it supports.
B.B.
B.B.
I was wondering about the descending shot string too. I thought just fill to a higher pressure and get ahead of the curve, but I don’t know. If I make my 1377’s valve volume is less then, will I be able to get about 500 fps on two pumps with light wadcutters? I stop at about three pumps now, if I want more velocity, I grab another pistol.
Crosman could make a cool liberty pistol out of the 1377 if it could be a pcp too?
Have a nice day, clear those drains!
R
1stblue,
It takes both air volume and pressure and it’s a balancing act. Spring piston guns get extremely high velocities with very little volume of air because they release it like a champaign cork. But a pneumatic or gas valve releases the air much slower and so takes longer (more air volume at lower pressure for a longer time) to push to velocity.
B.B.
B.B.,
Do you plan on filling the Hatsan Vectis above 200 bar in order to determine if there is a Power Curve/Bell Curve?
I know the Hatsan Vectis, as well as many other recent Hatsan releases, incorporates Hatsan’s Patented Anti Knock System. What is the Anti Knock System? Is it like a Hammer Debounce Device (HDD)?
Kevin,
So many readers have asked the same question about the pressure curve that I will test for it next time.
As for the Anti-Knock System, I thought it was an additive you put in your gas tank. 😉
I will ask Hatsan.
B.B.
And here is the answer.
“The anti knock system captures the hammer when it rebounds after striking the valve to eliminate hammer bounce and also prevents the hammer from striking the valve if the gun is bumped or dropped without the gun being cocked.”
B.B.,
Interesting. So it does act like an HDD. Thank you for going out of your way to learn more about the gun you’re testing.
kevin
I’m thinking my Hatsan Bullmaster has that knock system too. It gets extremely good shot count per fill. I have even shot it lower than the 1450 psi recommended low fill pressure and still hardly any poi drop at the target. I thought they might of recommended to stop at that pressure because the gun might not cycle right with it being a semi-auto but no problems below that even. And to note I have not had any miss feeds or miss fires with the Bullmaster. Seems to be a pretty good system they have for the semi-auto cycling.
BB,
I am new to PCP’s. Coming from Diana 34. Looking for .22 cal. and lighter weight. This Vectis comes in at 7.1 lbs. which is nice. Love your reviews!
Disappointed by the large deviations in the shot strings. Wanting to take the plunge, but this Vectis is loosing my interest. Do you have any articles on accurate PCP’s in lighter weights, or am l dreaming trying to find one with scope under 8-9 lbs?
Thanks,
John
tennisbum,
Welcome to the blog.
I have not yet tested the Vectis. This was just a preliminary look.
Give me time to test it right and then make your decision.
Also remember that this one is a .25 and the .22 may be the one you want.
B.B.
Tennisbum1212
Don’t worry about the shot string. Once you get the shots on paper you will find that you will have a broader amount of shots that fall in a given point of impact (poi) than what the velocity spread shows as good.
In other words if the spread is bigger than you think is good velocity wise. Don’t worry about that until you shoot some groups. I don’t worry about the spread at all when chronying anymore. I shoot and worry about what pellet gives the best groups.
Oh and check out the Benjamin Marauder and Maximus. They are pretty nice shooting guns.
Gun fun 1,
Thanks for info. Somewhere from reading l thought that lower standard deviations meant longer shot strings and also accuracy. I just notice that Airgun reviewers tend to get excited when these numbers are small, but l am just learning.
Ten
No problem. And there are alot of guns on the market now days. Hard to know what to choose sometimes.
I had a bunch of spring guns and pcp’s. And I think if I was just starting I would probably get one of these. That way you wouldn’t need any additional fill equipment if you don’t want the extra cost for now. And you would have the benefits of pcp power at hand.
I have thought about getting one. But check it out. Here’s a link to the gun and another link with BB’s review. What’s nice is the hand pump is built into the fun or you can fill with normal PCP fill devices.
/product/seneca-aspen-pcp-air-rifle?m=4715
/blog/2018/11/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-5/
Tennisbum1212,
I have a nice Diana RWS 34P in .22. I had great difficulty achieving a five shot 1″ group at 25 yards. Missed a lot of sparrows and starlings. Last spring I ventured into the PCP dark side. I bought a Gamo Urban PCP after a lot of research. Check it out. It weighs 6.5 lbs before adding the scope. I also bought a UTG 3-12×44 SWAT compact scope for it. It’s short and light and shoots 1/2″ groups at 30 yards all day long. It’s also easily filled with a hand pump. This gun is actually a rebranded BSA Buccaneer and is manufactured in the UK. So far it doesn’t leave me wanting anything else because it does everything I ask of it, and it’s a lot of rifle for the money.
Geo791,
Thanks, l will review this gun. I need to remove pigeons and ground squirrels. How is the noise? I need it to be quiet. We have an HOA and they are not gun friendly here.
Tennisbum,
The sound level isn’t too bad for a .22. It’s actually quieter than my Diana 34. Here is a review done by Steve Scialli where he says that “it’s mouse fart quiet”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUys-WWnak
Geo791,
Watched the review thanks. Well at 68, l am not getting any younger. My old friend at Airguns of Texas made me a great deal on a slightly used Daystate Huntsman Regal. I could pass it up, but l am not going to. Thanks again for your help. Good shooting!
Tennisbum1212,
Yeah, Steve does some very nice reviews. I am subscribed to his channel and get notifications when he posts a new video. Wow! A Daystate Huntsman is a beautiful airgun. I could NEVER pass that one up. I think there is a link somewhere here in the blog taking you to the Daystate factory and a nice tour of their facilities. Maybe someone here can remember where that link is. I think you made an excellent choice to buy the used Huntsman. You will be impressed I’m sure.
Geo
Oh hey, I got mentioned and you answered my question.
Thank you.
The Vectis is a interesting gun. I haven’t owned a lever action. I have shot a lever action 30-30 I believe it was. That was a long time ago when I was a kid so don’t remember exactly the caliber. But what I do remember it could be shot very fast shouldered.
And yep have had many pcp’s require the bolt to be cocked on a first time fill. That happens alot when a gun is depressurized to work on them then comes time to refill it. Now I pretty much always do that just because.
And this is off subject and not about UFO’s. 🙂
I was watching a shooting show when I was eating lunch today. And they had a commercial on about reactive targets. They said it even works with air guns. So I had to go to thier website and check it out. Like I said. Had to. I like reactive targets. 🙂
But here’s a link. And too bad PA doesn’t carry these. But if you don’t want the link posted go ahead and take it off BB. But it should be ok I believe. It not direct competition to PA.
https://www.firebirdtargets.com
Oh and look on the website they have some pretty good videos.
GF1,
I saw those the other day. Interesting.
Try this for a reactive target. Buy a box of kitchen matches and some price dots. Carefully scrape off the heads and chop into fine powder. Coat back of price dot with powder. Cover with another price dot. Shoot.
RR
Yep or just buy a roll of caps if they still make such a thing.
GF1,
Have you ever taken a roll of caps, layed them on the sidewalk and smashed them with a hammer? Makes quite a bang.
RR
Yep sure have. And I do still have about 4 box’s of roll of caps.
Don’t know if they are still good. They been in a dry warm place and no telling how long I have had them.
GF1,
Well, you know how to test them.
RR
Yep definitely know how to test them. And not with a cap gun. 🙂
… or just shoot at the match-head =)
H
Or that.
Hank,
You save lighting the match for when you have an audience. This is when you want to take your “silenced” air rifle and make a lot of noise.
Well, it looks like Weihrauch is getting into the bull-pup race.
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/ham-exclusive-new-weihrauch-hw-100-bp-bullpup-launched/
It does not do anything for me, but the carbine sounds interesting.
RR
For a bullpup it needs to be semi-auto for me.
Cool gun. But I would buy a Sortie-tact over the Weirauch bullpup. Which I’m waiting for a sale at Hatsan to happen and I will be getting one. I like my Bullmaster so much I got to get the Sortie-tact next.
GF1,
LOL! You sure do like those Hatsans. I myself would have to go with the Huben K1 if I wanted something semi, otherwise I would go with the Ataman BP17 or more likely the Edgun Lelya for the bull-pup “slot”. I have always obsessed about owning a Lelya since I first learned about it years ago.
RR
The Hatsan pcp’s I have had all have been well built guns.
And thier springers too. But they just put to much spring in them. So that’s the only reason I don’t like them.
GF1,
The Webley/Hatsan Tomahawk I have is well built in some respects, but their quality control was turned off for the Webley run. Nothing I could not fix easily, but real disappointing to see. It is a good thing this air rifle was almost free or I would have been real upset.
The only real issue I have with Hatsan is they seem to be trying to make an airgun to suit everyone. They have not made mine yet. Maybe.
RR
Tell them what you want. They just might be listening.
GF1,
That’s easy. I like the black Galatian QE, but instead of the thumbhole/pistol grip stock I would want the stock shaped like the Galatian QE walnut stock. I could even go with the walnut stock if the action was black.
Basically, take the tacticool Galatian QE and put it in the walnut stocks.
RR
Don’t see why they couldn’t do that. And I like the Galatians too.
GF1,
Who knows. When I am ready I may contact them and see what I can get.
RR
From exsperiance over time Hatsan USA is kind of hard to get ahold of on the phone.
I have had better luck through time with emails. They may take a day to respond but you can finally get what you want. And just to say they are a bit like Crosman. If you got part numbers they pretty well will hook you up if they have it in stock.
GF1,
I understand. They and a couple of others are almost impossible to “speak” to directly. I do happen to know one or two there who I may contact through “back doors”. Can I get the Galatian that I want? Probably, if I let them know. Do I want the Galatian? That is another question. Of all I have seen from Hatsan, that is on the very top of my list. However, it is competing with the FX Dreamlight, the Edgun Lelya, etc. What I will likely end up with, I do not know. It is on the “short list” though.
RR
Hatsan USA has changed a bit here lately when trying to contact them by phone. It’s like they have the phone line set up to not take calls. It does everything but let you speak to someone.
Email still works the best from what I have seen. But still doesn’t compare to actually talking on the phone. Crosman is right there all the time with a phone call. Never have not got to talk to a person at Crosman yet when I contacted them.
To me phone contact is good customer relations. No phone contact. Not so good in my book.
BB
I was going to ask this the other day about the Aspen and forgot. Figured I would ask now before I forget again.
What do you think would pump the Aspen back up quicker. The on board pump or a hand pump?
Let’s say from 1500psi to 2500psi.
GF1,
The onboard pump. The hand pump takes too long to attach, etc.
B.B.
BB
Yep realize that. But I guess I should word it different.
How much psi per pump does the guns on board pump give? And how much psi per pump does one of your hand pumps give when filling that particular gun?
GF1,
Not a clue, but the hand pump obviously pumps much more air since it is larger in every dimension.
B.B.
BB
Ok I imagine that’s why a hand pump is harder to pump then the guns pump.
I definitely like the Aspen. I may just end up with one yet. Would be a perfect pcp to have incase my hpa compressor gives out or the electric gets knocked out. Especially if it’s easier to pump than a hand pump.